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PostPosted: 4/3/06, 10:05 pm 
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Bryce totally took the wind out of their sails in that boardroom. I would have suggested one change and that would be to not bring anyone else into the board room and totally make the firing rant useless.
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PostPosted: 4/3/06, 10:21 pm 
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Trump may be a great wheeler dealer, but he just lost my audience on his show, and while I think Bryce was ultimately responsible for being late to the meeting. Bryce brought that team back together and had them working as a team, and that's what a leader is about. The firing of Bryce was stupid. Some times good teams lose. And I don't care what religion someone has, he shouldn't get two free passes in this game because it's his holiday. Enter the game during another season. If I have a business and we have an inspection or a project due and you take off the entire time because it's your holiday....you may be FIRED. I'm finished with this show.
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PostPosted: 4/3/06, 10:21 pm 
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I have never been driven to post a comment on the internet regarding 'The Apprentice'. However, seeing Bryce fired has given me that initiative.

Bryce is a man of honor. This is definitely Trump's loss.

Bryce = Good man, Good job, Good ethics.

Well done, Bryce
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PostPosted: 4/3/06, 10:27 pm 
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I agree.

Bryce shouldn't have gone.

Trump should've fired Lee, and the only reason he hasn't is because most of America would erupt in accusations of discrimination.

I was really proud of Bryce, in that he stood up to Trump (he even got a bit of sarcasm in, woo hoo!), but I wanted him to point out that the same reason that Trump justifies not firing Lee -- life isn't fair -- could be used to justify Lee's dismissal. Life isn't fair, and if you're that religious, good for you, but it should not give you a free ride to the end. You cannot have your cake and eat it, too, and quite frankly I'm a bit disappointed that Trump is letting that happen.

I am also sad to see Bryce go, because I am shallow and he is hot. Heh.
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PostPosted: 4/3/06, 10:42 pm 
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Much kudos to Bryce for standing up to Trump in the manner that he did. It was definitely a first. I think Trump already realizes he made a big mistake in firing Bryce. Of course, Trumps brown-nosing cronies could not fathom that someone would dare to disagree with him. I'm done with that show!
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PostPosted: 4/3/06, 10:42 pm 
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good for you Bryce!!! You stood up for yourself just because Mr. TRump has $ does not mean he is always right and he was wrong this week!! Lee decided to be off for the task because of religious holiday, i am sorry but this was not a goverment holiday and I think that he should of not been in the board room at all. Lenny does not know what a jingle is? can he not find a dictionary? is there not any songs or jingle in Russia that he could of translated it to English on his own come on. Carolynn is an idiot! How she even got to work for trump or anyone is a mystery to me she has no personality and totally looks miserable all the time!!! I think Bryce was very honarable for standing up for his team, since he did agree with all the decisions on the jingle together. I think Bryce was right when he said that he cannot change who is and what he stands for, because his decision on who he brought in with him was right and if Mr. Trump could not see that then he lost a great candidate.
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PostPosted: 4/3/06, 11:30 pm 
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Bryce is a standup guy. I was very impressed with his behavior in the boardroom. I am not surprised that Don could not follow Bryce's logic in bringing those two back into the boardroom. Don's logic skills only go so far. I too may be nearing my end of watching the show. It is becoming a little mundane, especially when one of the top guys gets fired.
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PostPosted: 4/4/06, 12:06 am 
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Bryce should not have gone, however, it would have been even more sickening if Lee went, you guys who said he should have gone obviously have no idea how big of a deal Yom Kippur is and I bet even Lenny would agree despite what he said the third week. Hell, I'm not even religious. Perhaps Lee should have thought things through about what others would have thought of him for taking two weeks off whether it's a religious holiday or not, and made an exception for one. If he did, though, it would have to be the first one.

Of those three, from the start Lenny should have gone, though I was extremely pissed about Bryce bringing Lee in. Overall, Charmaine should have been the one to go. Though Bryce was a good respected leader, I wholeheartedly agree with him for being disgusted at taking Lee in. Had Bryce brought in ANY two people that weren't Lee, he would have survived, considering there was absolutely nothing wrong with him up to that point.
It was one of those times where someone does so good, then they do something retarded at the last minute which he uses as a deciding factor. Kind of like in the second season where Bradford got fired because he dropped his exemption as a way of trying to impress.

I do, however, think that Bryce immediately realized his mistake the second he was in the boardroom, and looked like he was regretting it, and realized he had no way out of it and just started grasping at straws. He did do a good job though, but it was so unbelievably obvious considering that unlike most boardrooms he had absolutely NOTHING to say to slam either Lee or Lenny. He was doing the exact opposite actually, basically stating that he doesn't think either deserve to go, he just didn't have any better choices. Well, Mr. Gahagan, if you're that desperate to choose two people and keep yourself safe, LEAVE LEE OUT THIS TIME.
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PostPosted: 4/4/06, 1:04 am 
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it's great that some people are respectful to other's religions,but how many Catholics went to church on Saturday or Sunday,instead of working?you ARE allowed to work on either of those days if you HAD to,so don't say have pity on Lee,blah blah blah.anyway,it's great to see this idiot who can't live by his own advice,otherwise known as c. unt have his *** handed to him."you have potential."man,after that comment,i'd have to be dragged out of the boardroom because of my rage.i'd verbally rape carolynn more.
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PostPosted: 4/4/06, 2:13 am 
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Bryce was the better man tonight. Donald knew, but because he was to PC, he didn't want look anti-semetic. Lee should have been fired. It's the price of having a faith sometimes. No one should question his (Lee) decision to leave the team and observe the religious holiday, but at the same time, there is consequence for that decision. If I'm going to worship, and it conflicts with something (say a business), I better be prepared to lose my business over my worship. That's faith. If Lee gotten fired, I think he would been okay with that. Getting fired for your belief is a good way to go. So back to Bryce, his logic to bring Lee and Lenny was simple, they were the two that contributed the least.

As for Trump, you can tell he was visibly shaken by Bryce at the end. And Bryce's logic to bring the Leeny and Lee in the boardroom made perfect sense. Without Charmaine and Leslie, they would not have a jingle. Both may have missed the mark, but they were the two that contributed the most. Why would you bring your most effective employee in the board room, when Lenny and Lee didn't step up to the plate? Donald's logic was complete flawed.

Carolyn, rather disgustingly, looked at Bryce "just fire yourself." You're kidding right? Here's a guy that was going to take a hit for the team and fight (argue) to the end, and you expect him to quit?

I think this is my last show for the Apprentice. I like how it ended, and says a lot of our culture, when money is more important that virtue. Life is unfair, but you can live it honorably. Bryce said he wasn't afraid of Trump, probably the first time we heard a contestant uttered those words, and backed it up convincingly. Donald passed up a very special kid.
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PostPosted: 4/4/06, 3:28 am 
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I have always watched this show and always agreed with Donald's decision in the board room. After watching tonite's show i was so mad as he made a mistake firing Bryce. Donald should have given Bryce a chance as he kept the team together and he believed in his decision no matter what mistakes Tarek or Charmaine may have made. This shows the qualities of a leader as he can be trusted and bring people on the same page. Lenny should have walked out of the room as he did not contribute anything....common on living here for 14 years and you don't know what a jingle is? one word or two would have helped.
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PostPosted: 4/4/06, 11:25 am 
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What I've learned about Trump so far:
--loyalty is the number 1 attribute to have if you work for him. And he defines loyalty as "sucking up." I'm waiting for the day that either Carolyn, George or Bill won't absolutely agree with him on his choice. I think from Bill's body language last night, it seemed obvious he thought Bryce did a good job and didn't necessarily agree with Trump. However, at the end, he totally agreed after Trump fired Bryce. Idiot. Same with Carolyn. Same last week when Trump stupidly fired Dan.

Bryce 100% should not have gotten fired last night, but in the end, this will work best for him. Had he become The Apprentice, he probably would have quit at some point due to his moral intregity being higher than Trump's. Now, the world knows Bryce is an amazing leader, smart guy, and trustworthy--though he may show up to meetings late. He'll get offers from everywhere. I hope some day they meet in the real estate world when Bryce is rich and powerful.
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PostPosted: 4/4/06, 12:55 pm 
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Carolyn & Bill are bobbleheads. They are Donald's yes men.

The Trump culture is say yes, don't contradict, or live in fear of losing your job. And whatever you do - don't make a mistake.

It was absolutely great to see someone stand up to Trump. That attitude shakes people with Trump's personality to the bone. Trump had no choice, but to eliminate Bryce. He wasn't going to be the next yes man.
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I like watching all the Jew-hatred going on here. You all are obviously totally ignorant of Judaism and it's holidays. Yom Kippur is the single holiest day in the Jewish year. Asking an orthodox Jew to work on Yom Kippur would be like asking a devout Catholic to work on Easter, or a devout Muslim to work on Eid ul-Adha.

Bryce erred big-time by not bringing Charmaine in. She made the appointment, and she was the one responsible for their lateness. As Donald pointed out, maybe the fact that they made the Arby's people wait for 25 minutes worked against them?

Another point is that Charmaine and Leslie kind of blew it on the lyric writing. They missed one of the big points that Arby's wanted in the jingle.

Bryce did do a good job as the leader, no question - but he screwed up by bringing in two people who were clearly blameless in their loss. That was a bad call, and that's ultimately why he was fired.
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PostPosted: 4/4/06, 4:35 pm 
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I agree with the other posters that Bryce was an upstanding man who chose to defend his team, but I disagree that Carolyn's statement or trump's eventual firing of him were wrong. That's the nature of the show. One person has to get fired every week in order for the show to progress. Everyone that Trump considered firing was defended by Bryce. He probably did this out of his own desire to protect his team when he felt they had done no wrong, but who else is he going to fire then.. Bryce of course. Perhaps it may have occurred to Bryce that if he did an extraordinarily good job of holding his team together and standing up for them despite their loss, that he'd just give them a bye week and fire no one. If that is the case, then he deserved to be fired for not understanding the nature of the game, specifically that at least one person MUST be fired each week. There's a chance that Trump wouldn't have fired anyone for one week, if of course NBC allowed him to do that, but the way Bryce went about it then was improper. He should have refused to bring anyone back to the boardroom in that case and have made a principled stand that good teams lose sometimes and no one should be fired. By adhering to Trump's request to bring 2 people back, he kind of consented to allowing one person to be fired. He really brought the firing upon himself, though he was in all fairness a decent and upstanding man.
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PostPosted: 4/4/06, 8:20 pm 
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Bryce is the best of all.
Must bee cloned.
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Last season, Trump made such a big deal about Rebecca's loyalty to Toral...She claimed Toral was the best candidate among the women.... and to everyone in the free world, Toral was clearly the worst...It was a illogical and irrational observation by Rebecca....She had more losses than wins..In fact the only win she had is when she teamed up with the ultimate winner, Randal.... However no matter her poor decision making and losses, Donald defended her with the only thing he could highlight; and that was her loyalty to Toral...
In this episode, loyalty was also on display...The difference is, Bryce's loyalty to the team was merited by a cohesive team effort...Bryce brought together a shattered team that hated each other after the last boardroom...IMO, Bryce's arguments in the boardroom were logical, and demonstrated tremendous leadership...If given another chance to be PM, this team would have gone all out for him to get a win specifically for Bryce... My argument against Trump is, how can he possibly commend Rebecca for defending an inept Toral, and not commend Bryce for loyalty to a team that worked hard and put themselves on the line for him....Trump spent more time defending the non-contributors, Lee and Lenny....
Don't get me wrong, IMO a person's faith should be the most important part of a person's life. However I have a hard time watching Lee be excused by Trump week after week....It seems to me, if you have to observe two religious holidays that prevent you from working, you should should be the first to step up and be the hardest worker when you are able to work...I have seen nothing from Lee in terms of ideas or hard work...He is a politician that hides and ducks responsibility(I am referring to the tasks he was present for)...Donald does not rip into the non performers..Instead he condemns the people who step up....I think this is what is turning people off to the show...The game is designed for the politians, yesmen, and connivers to make to the end, while the risk takers, hardworkers, and leaders take the fall.....IMO the last somewhat fair Apprentice show that wasn't a mockery was when Kendra won....
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PostPosted: 4/4/06, 11:40 pm 
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Actually, I don't know but it seems like Lee has been quite a solid performer whenever he was there, and Tarek's threatened by him. I have a feeling he'll be in the final four.

Plus, I don't know who said you'd lose a job for worship, but that's absolute BS. Unless the boss was a passionate atheist that would get his emotions involved, or the job was an atheist clinic, you'd most likely be excused from your job for religious purposes. George Ross also is observant of the holidays and takes the weeks off, and considering that the job of an apprentice in the Trump organization would be along the same lines, they'd quite obviously be excused. If they'd be excused in the actual job for religious holidays, there's no reason why they shouldn't be excused for job interviews.


Bryce didn't seem to have a Lenny complex about being excused for a religious holiday. He didn't hate the fact that Lee was excused, he just simply had a lot of trouble deciding who to bring into the boardroom and thought a little too fast. I could sense a little tone of sadness when he said Lee's name.

The truth is, Bryce did show his weakness, but it wasn't "lack of respect for Lee" like most of you think, not at all (even though Trump probably saw it that was), but it was his weakness that put him in that position. It was simply the fact that although he didn't want to be fired, he would have felt like s*** if anyone else would have been fired, and was too paranoid about losing the respect of certain teammates. I can't really blame him, it is a hard position to be in, but that's what being on the Apprentice is all about.
Now that I think about it, even if he DID bring Charmaine and Tarek in, he'd be too scared to say anything negative about them and would have probably undergone the whole "I don't think they should be fired but I brought them in anyway" routine and he's have shown his true weakness, Trump would have said he's not a true team player and fired him. But then again, given the Rebecca/Toral situation, he may have had a chance. However, it would have been slowly eating him inside up to that point no matter who he brought in. Except Lee, he was a faster suicide ticket that didn't even get a chance to show his true weakness.

Like I said before, Bryce probably planned to sacrifice himself, he seemed more focused on covering his teammates asses than his own.
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PostPosted: 4/5/06, 7:34 am 
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I like watching all the Jew-hatred going on here. You all are obviously totally ignorant of Judaism and it's holidays. Yom Kippur is the single holiest day in the Jewish year. Asking an orthodox Jew to work on Yom Kippur would be like asking a devout Catholic to work on Easter, or a devout Muslim to work on Eid ul-Adha.


I wouldnt call it Jew hating going on here, alot of people dont understand the importance of the holiday to the Jewish People. All I know about Yom Kippur is it is very important to religous Jews, not being a Jew I am rather ignorant of the religion, as are most non-Jews about the Jewish faith.

That said, it does look very bad for Lee to have taken off again, and whether he has a legitimate reason or not, it does make it look as if he is not a team player, and hes trying to skate by. Its likely not true, but appearances can be deceiving, and in the Apprentice appearance is important.

I really think Lee should perhaps have bypassed the first holiday so he could have taken off Yom Kippur without much attention being drawn to it.
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PostPosted: 4/5/06, 9:35 pm 
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I think if Lee was a big contributor to the task he has performed on, I do not think anyone would have a problem with him observing the Jewish holiday...Everyone is trying to be politically correct on this matter and that is understandable...I understand why Trump felt like he could not fire Lee under these conditions....Why deal with that backlash if you do not have to...My issue is probably rooted from Trumps comments the previous week when he indicated he did not like or dislike Lee being a politician...It is like Lee is being rewarded for staying under the radar and criticizing those who actually put themselves on the line to win...I am not anti-semetic, I just don't like guys of any ethnicity or culture who do not contribute and then have the nerve to criticize those that do...

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For those who think Lee is a solid contributor, please give examples of him stepping up and doing a good job; because I obviously missed that episode.
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